What is this Israeli "self-censorship" claim? BS. Haaretz publishes plenty about the atrocities in progress. Far more than the American media dares to publish.
"In February the BBC apologised over "serious flaws" in the making of the programme about children's lives in Gaza, after it was revealed its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas minister."
There was no correction on what was actually said though. It's a terrible state of affairs when who someone is related to, is of more concern than the horrific and constant terrors they and other children have had inflicted upon them by Israel for nearly 2 years.
agree. Typical propaganda approach, harp on some minor point to change the discussion. Some say Neta created Hamas to weaken another organization at the time. The whole history of what's been happening there is very complicated and nuanced. The motto of their intel org reads, "by way of deception, though shalt do war" so it's not surprising that truth seems artificially scarce.
Because they couldn't independently verify or revise, and Israel can't be trusted either. It's ridiculous how so many BBC articles are like "source: Hamas." This documentary reveal wasn't even surprising, I thought it went without saying.
I honestly don‘t understand how someone can frame October 7 as genocidal. Gaza was a pressure cooker due to Israel’s inhumane treatment and something like this was to be expected, and I my opinion this was provoked to justify the collective punishment and weakening of not just hamas but the entire Palestinian population.
For years Netanyahu openly admitted he was “bolstering Hamas” with Qatari cash to sabotage a Palestinian state [1]
All in all, Israel’s historical pattern of leveraging crises for territorial or political gain makes it reasonable to suspect that they were less interested in preventing October 7 than in exploiting it
Israeli soldiers are killing not only others but themselves. We have to know the truth, otherwise we're all just lost at sea without a compass, or even a map.
As you should. But the Gaza genocide does not stem from a religious conflict. It comes from a war of conquest led and engineered by the West to protect its last colony. It would be more like if Americans had decided to wipe out the Vietnamese and replace the inhabitants of Vietnam with Westerners.
https://archive.ph/0dpn2
What is this Israeli "self-censorship" claim? BS. Haaretz publishes plenty about the atrocities in progress. Far more than the American media dares to publish.
The editorial scrutiny here is minimal at best.
Last year Israel's military censor banned 1,635 articles and partially redacted another 6,265
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Israel
Pressure, intimidation, and censorship: Israeli journalists have faced growing repression in the past year https://rsf.org/en/pressure-intimidation-and-censorship-isra...
okay! I agree. But Haaertz does a better job than the US media does. Gotta give them that.
It's wartime, so censorship is publicly asknowledged there.
I might add that journalists in Gaza are often killed.
The Israeli Military Censor has nothing to do with there being a "war" now. They've been censoring news in Israel since the late 1970s.
Haaretz is the only mainstream media to report regularly on Palestinian casualties. It has a readership of less than 5% [1].
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Israel
Haaretz is currently boycotted by the Israeli govt since Nov 2024, though not the same as a ban.
aljazeera banned. I was reading it daily during the attacks on Iran. They had updates every few minutes. Nothing I saw was not factual, AFAIK.
bbc reports occasionally on the Gaza situation. Like this
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4rwrkdlzxo
What happened to the US media? It all seems to be recipes, dating advice, wellness tips on the front pages.
I am in the US but get my news from elsewhere. It is not an option anymore;-)
BBC is not perfect either: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k7n6kd8yxo
"In February the BBC apologised over "serious flaws" in the making of the programme about children's lives in Gaza, after it was revealed its 13-year-old narrator was the son of a Hamas minister."
There was no correction on what was actually said though. It's a terrible state of affairs when who someone is related to, is of more concern than the horrific and constant terrors they and other children have had inflicted upon them by Israel for nearly 2 years.
agree. Typical propaganda approach, harp on some minor point to change the discussion. Some say Neta created Hamas to weaken another organization at the time. The whole history of what's been happening there is very complicated and nuanced. The motto of their intel org reads, "by way of deception, though shalt do war" so it's not surprising that truth seems artificially scarce.
Because they couldn't independently verify or revise, and Israel can't be trusted either. It's ridiculous how so many BBC articles are like "source: Hamas." This documentary reveal wasn't even surprising, I thought it went without saying.
That's not correct. There was no findings that it wasn't factually true.
Who checked that? If nobody, then of course there were no findings.
US media definitely reports on this too
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I honestly don‘t understand how someone can frame October 7 as genocidal. Gaza was a pressure cooker due to Israel’s inhumane treatment and something like this was to be expected, and I my opinion this was provoked to justify the collective punishment and weakening of not just hamas but the entire Palestinian population.
For years Netanyahu openly admitted he was “bolstering Hamas” with Qatari cash to sabotage a Palestinian state [1]
All in all, Israel’s historical pattern of leveraging crises for territorial or political gain makes it reasonable to suspect that they were less interested in preventing October 7 than in exploiting it
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/20/benjam...
> how someone can frame October 7 as genocidal.
it's totally insane to frame a killing as despicable as it is like here as genocidal.
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please explain.
Gaza has been destroyed. So which country do you refer to? The whole of Israel was formerly Palestine.
And the nyt article infers that the creation of Israel was a reaction to a previous genocide. That is false. It was plotted since the 19th century.
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it was as earnest as statement that all of it "formerly Palestine". it was mandatory area that included also transjordan.
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never forget!
Isn't that the rallying cry?
You know how to search. Find the map. Know the history.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/12s6lq5/this_map_o... from Natgeo
Israeli soldiers are killing not only others but themselves. We have to know the truth, otherwise we're all just lost at sea without a compass, or even a map.
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Quick question: what are Arabs who live in Israel called?
i recently read paper on their self identification. Rather recent. iirc split is something like:
- Israeli Arabs : 30%-40%
- Palestinian Arabs: 30%-40%
- Palestinians: 10%-15%
- Christian Arabs: 5%-10%
- Etc : 5%
Guy that I spent two years with in same room was self identifying as "Arab, Orthodox Christian, Communist".
Those who live in west bank have more permutations of identities, with some of them mostly identifying with their clan or religion
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As you should. But the Gaza genocide does not stem from a religious conflict. It comes from a war of conquest led and engineered by the West to protect its last colony. It would be more like if Americans had decided to wipe out the Vietnamese and replace the inhabitants of Vietnam with Westerners.